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Small Mines Safety Campaign

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Subjects -  Mining accidents; Occupational Health and Safety; Mining; Workers Compensation
Speakers - Hickey Mr Kerry; Piccoli Mr Adrian; Acting-Speaker (Mr Paul Lynch); Hay Ms Noreen; Hartcher Mr Chris; Whan Mr Steve
Business - Division, Motion
Commentary - Urgent Motion


    SMALL MINES SAFETY CAMPAIGN
Page: 4211


    Urgent Motion

    Mr KERRY HICKEY (Cessnock—Minister for Mineral Resources) [3.37 p.m.]: I move:

    That this House:

    (1) expresses concern that since 1990, 14 people have died in small mines in New South Wales other than opal mines, and

    (2) welcomes efforts by the State Government to improve this situation through its small mines safety campaign.

    New South Wales is the cradle of Australia's minerals industry. Our mines directly employ more than 15,000 people across the State. For every person employed in mining another four jobs are generated in the wider community. Annual production is valued at more than $7 billion and minerals are our single biggest export. The jobs and income generated by mining have been the lifeblood of many towns and villages, particularly in rural and regional New South Wales. Across the minerals sector New South Wales has a safety record that ranks with the world's best. That is a terrific achievement, but there is more work to be done. Historically, small mines have had a high rate of serious injuries and fatalities. Key factors contributing to this poor safety performance include unstructured supervision, informal communication, lack of understanding and application of safety management systems, lack of resources to support safety improvement, and ignorance of safety obligations and laws.

    In short, poor planning and poor organisation on the part of small mine operators led to more fatal and serious accidents. Often there seemed to be a lack of understanding about the specific risks facing workers in small mines. This has been a significant factor in the 14 fatalities. The Carr Government found this situation intolerable. It made changes to mine safety regulations in 2000. Through Mines Inspection General Rule 2000 it directed all small mine operators to prepare safety management plans. The plans are designed to bring small mines into line with the practices followed by larger mines for effective risk management. Once a plan has been decided upon, it is documented. This can be tailored to the needs of the small mine. It must not be shut away in a filing cabinet, but used as an everyday working tool to eliminate incidents. Continual evaluation must follow to finetune the plan and to ensure that it successfully controls identified risks. The plan forces people to stop and think about their safety.

    Many mining hazards can be managed with engineering solutions. They can be analysed, designed, implemented and tested. Other risks do not have technical answers, because we are dealing with individuals, not machines. We must never forget the people who do the job. Miners themselves are often best placed to know how to make their jobs safer. By talking to them, listening to them and taking their concerns seriously, we are taking major steps towards eliminating accidents. Operators of small mines need to do this just the same as operators of large mines. It is in the best interests of everyone in the New South Wales mining industry—including small quarries and extractive materials operations—to combat safety hazards. Loss of production and damage to equipment can cost even small operators hundreds of thousands of dollars. A single incident causes prolonged suffering for the person involved, their families and communities.

    Too often we talk about statistics in a report. Our State has lost 14 miners since 1990 from our small mine sector—14 husbands, fathers and mates. Since my appointment as Minister for Mineral Resources in April, I have visited all types of mining operations across New South Wales to learn more about hazards and how they can be addressed. I have visited Lightning Ridge and sat in on the safety awareness course developed especially for our opal miners. The Lightning Ridge course is held every month or so. Since 1995, 3,577 people have attended 136 courses held in Lightning Ridge, White Cliffs and Coober Pedy. In fact, a course is being held in Lightning Ridge today. This safety awareness course has arguably saved the lives of six opal miners. Historically, New South Wales has lost one opal miner each year. It has now been six years since the last opal miner was killed. It was a logical extension of the opal mining safety awareness campaign to target other small mines scattered across the State. There are more than 800 of these mines and they are important to our regional communities.

    My main concern as Minister for Mineral Resources—and this Government's absolute priority—is the safety of mineworkers. New South Wales is on the world stage fighting for minerals exploration and investment dollars. We are positioning New South Wales as the State for successful mining operations, but never at the cost of a miner's life. To help small mines raise the bar on safety performance, this Government developed and implemented a Small Mines Safety Campaign. We have identified small mines across the State and worked with them to improve their awareness of statutory obligations and safety performance through a structured education and support program.

    Since November 2000, representatives from more than 300 small mines have attended educational programs conducted by safety operations officers in regional centres across the State. Each program consists of two interactive workshops held approximately three months apart. A site visit by a mine safety officer or inspector follows these workshops. This gives workers hands-on assistance in developing and implementing their own mine safety plan. The campaign is promoted through stories and advertisements in local media outlets, flyers and the Department of Mineral Resources publications and web site.

    During the first phase of the campaign, it became apparent that further assistance on specific areas was needed to enhance safety awareness. In particular, 21 workshops have been conducted on the newly revised "Safety Operations Mining Design Guideline for Mobile and Fixed Plant in Mines". It has been revised to meet the needs of mines other than coalmines, and including small mines. Electrical safety is another targeted area, with seminars in progress in regional mining communities. It is still early days, so it is difficult to be overly confident. However, we have seen a 40 per cent reduction in electrical shock incidents following the first round of the campaign conducted about a year ago. Following the success of the first phase of the Small Mines Safety Campaign, the Carr Government published a specially designed Small Mines Safety Management Kit. The kit helps us reach small mines that have not yet participated in an education workshop. It is specifically targeted at very small mines and provides step-by-step help in developing a basic mine safety management plan.

    In recognition of the need for ongoing education and peer support, the Carr Government has formed an alliance with the Institute of Quarrying. The institute will deliver ongoing workshops, initially based on the Small Mines Safety Management Kit. Safety operations officers will assist the institute in presenting the workshops. Importantly, this alliance will allow our officers to focus on those small mines that have not participated in the program yet. I cannot praise the institute highly enough for recognising the risks specific to the quarrying sector and helping us to help their members and others in the sector. As a result of this Government's initiative and industry co-operation, we are delivering significant health and safety improvements to many small mines across the State.

    The peer support relationships built at workshops also play a major role in ensuring that the needs of small mines are appropriately met. The Small Mines Safety Campaign is one of our State's most successful workplace safety initiatives. It is an ongoing campaign. My aim is to save lives and to prevent serious injuries. It is also the aim of the Institute of Quarrying and the small mines sector in general. Through programs such as the Small Mines Safety Campaign, the Carr Government is delivering on its goal to achieve safe workplaces, and the statistical information available to date indicates that it is working. Education is the only way we can address the safety issues facing small mines. I ask honourable members opposite to share the Government's goal and to support this motion.
    Mr ADRIAN PICCOLI (Murrumbidgee) [3.47 p.m.]: Honourable members on this side of the House support any efforts that lead to increased workplace safety, particularly in the mining industry, which historically has been a dangerous industry. Governments, mining companies, small mining operators and many others have made many advances in workplace safety. That is a goal we all hope to achieve. Obviously, the ultimate goal is no deaths or injuries in the mining industry or any other workplace. Members of the Opposition offer bipartisan support for the motion. The motion refers specifically to small mines, quarries and so on. However, many large metalliferous and coalmining companies have made significant investment in increasing workplace safety, and the results indicate the success of that effort. While ever there is injury or death, more can be spent and done. The mining industry should be congratulated on its efforts, particularly in the past 10 or 15 years, to reduce workplace accidents and deaths.

    Statistics for mine accidents over the last five or six years show that in 2001-02 there were six fatalities, in 1996-97 there were 33 deaths, and in 1997-98 there were 18 deaths. So the industry has come a long way, and it must be congratulated on and supported for its investment in workplace safety. I also acknowledge the role of State and Federal governments in improving workplace safety. I know that the Minister for Mineral Resources will not be pleased to hear me say this once again, but, as the mining industry keeps saying to me, workers compensation remains a very important issue. It is an issue that the Minister needs to seriously address—

    Mr Kerry Hickey: Point of order: My point of order relates to relevance. The motion clearly asks the House to express concern that since 1990, 14 people have died in small mines in New South Wales other than opal mines, and to welcome the efforts by the State Government to improve this situation through its Small Mines Safety Campaign. The motion is about safety—

    Mr ACTING-SPEAKER (Mr Lynch): Order! I am sure the honourable member for Murrumbidgee was making only a passing reference to workers compensation.

    Mr ADRIAN PICCOLI: Workers compensation is absolutely relevant to this motion, because workers make workers compensation claims when they are injured in a mining accident. There has been significant investment in improving workplace safety. Most mining companies have spent millions of dollars improving mine safety. In return for their investment, obviously they expect to protect their most important asset: their employees. Mining companies also expect economic benefit, by way of reduced workers compensation premiums. However, over the last six or seven years there have been massive increases in workers compensation premiums.

    Mr Kerry Hickey: Point of order: Once again I draw your attention to the motion. The motion is not about workers compensation premiums; it is about safety in mines across New South Wales.

    Mr ACTING-SPEAKER (Mr Lynch): Order! The Minister for Mineral Resources is correct. I allowed the honourable member for Murrumbidgee a degree of latitude when the Minister took his earlier point of order, which the honourable member was not astute enough to note. The terms of the motion are clear, and workers compensation is not relevant to it.

    Mr ADRIAN PICCOLI: Once again the Minister refuses to acknowledge that workers compensation is an issue in the mining industry. With regard to smaller mines and quarrying operations, of course any improvement in mines safety is welcome. Some of the larger operations have economies of scale that allow them to focus more easily on workplace safety, as opposed to the smaller mining operations. Nonetheless, it is important that government regulation is put in place to protect workers' safety, even in small mining operations. I move:

    That the motion be amended by the addition of the following paragraphs:

    (3) calls upon the Minister for Mineral Resources to table within one month the Government's response to the report of the mine safety review 1997 detailing how each recommendation is being implemented; and

    (4) calls upon the Minister to review workers compensation for miners injured as a result of poor mine safety.

    Members opposite can moan and groan as much as they like. On numerous occasions during estimates committee hearings the Minister was asked about workers compensation and what he is doing about it. The only thing the Minister could say was that he had discussed the matter with the Minister for Industrial Relations.

    Mr ACTING-SPEAKER (Mr Lynch): Order! The Minister for Mineral Resources will come to order.

    Mr ADRIAN PICCOLI: If the Government wants companies, investors and the owners of large or small mines to invest in workplace safety voluntarily and happily, they must be assured of some benefit from it. Of course, there is a benefit in reducing injuries and deaths. The last thing an employer wants is injured employees. The Minister referred to the personal anguish caused by any injury or death, but there are significant costs associated with it as well. Mining companies want to reduce the costs of injuries to their employees, but they want to see a reduction in workers compensation premiums as well.

    Mr ACTING-SPEAKER (Mr Lynch): Order! The Minister for Mineral Resources will come to order.

    Mr ADRIAN PICCOLI: The Minister can protest as much as he likes that workers compensation is not part of the mining portfolio. I am simply repeating what the industry is saying to me: that workers compensation is a serious disincentive for investment, particularly in the coal industry. We want investment in workplace safety, to reduce the types of incidents that the Minister spoke about. Of course, government regulation is important. Companies will invest voluntarily, because they do not want to see injuries occurring in the workplace. However, an economic incentive for companies to invest in workplace safety is a reduction in workers compensation premiums. I know that the Minister himself cannot, or will not, introduce legislation about workers compensation premiums. But he represents a very important industry sector in this State, and it is incumbent upon him to use his influence in Government and the resources of his department in reducing workers compensation premiums, because that cost is a disincentive for companies to invest in workplace safety.

    Mr Kerry Hickey: You're a sad case.

    Mr ADRIAN PICCOLI: As I said, the Minister can complain about it all he likes, but it remains a very important issue. All members of Parliament, all Government employees and all regulators have the same objective: to reduce workplace injuries and deaths. Of course, every member on this side of the House supports that objective.

    Ms NOREEN HAY (Wollongong) [3.57 p.m.]: As the member for Wollongong I share the Minister's passion for making sure our mines are safe workplaces. The Illawarra has a long and proud mining heritage, but that history has been marred by fatalities and serious injuries to our miners. That is why I support this motion and the Government's efforts in delivering this important aspect of mine safety education. The Small Mines Safety Campaign has several education components. The first was the workshops, which dealt with the preparation of mine safety management plans for small mines. These workshops were held across New South Wales from late 2000 until December last year. The Armidale office of the Department of Mineral Resources has conducted some mini-workshops this year, and I place on record the following comments from workshop participants:

    The workshop is excellent and is a great assistance;

    There is a heap of information about OH&S and the more you learn the better off you are;

    It really helps explain the legislation;

    Hazard identification was explained very well—this made it much easier to actually implement these procedures at our site;

    The program has been an excellent starting point for preparation of a Mine Safety Management Plan; and

    The course and resource material is of great help in developing a safety management plan.

    I am sure all members would agree that this kind of feedback demonstrates the value that mine operators and workers have found in the course. The second phase of the campaign was undertaken from April to August this year to educate small mine operators about mobile and fixed plant under the revised guideline developed for small mines. Some comments from workshop participants include:

    MORE WORKSHOPS! A most useful activity that may change the way we do things;

    When I saw this course advertised in the mail I thought I should go but did not know what to expect. I was pleasantly surprised by the usefulness of the course.

    The third component of the campaign is the Small Mines Safety Management Kit. This publication is designed to help operators prepare their Mine Safety Management Plan. The kit has now been available since the end of April this year. The first print run of 300 copies has sold out. The department is now well into selling the second print run. The kit has been sold to many operators of small mines as well as to local councils and greenfields mines. Some existing mines which have a Mine Safety Management Plan have purchased the kit to assist with internal audits and continuous improvements. I think it is important to note that our efforts in raising health and safety standards in small mines are transcending state and national borders. Many kits have gone to Queensland, Victoria and South Australia. These orders have come via word-of-mouth or from other Department of Mineral Resources publications such as Mine Safety Update and Minfo.

    John Moss, the Department's Area Manager (Safety Operations) based at Orange, has reported a telephone call from a quarry owner/manager in country Victoria inquiring about the Small Mines Safety Management Kit. He had been advised by his TAFE teacher at Box Hill to telephone the department. As part of his extractive industries Certificate IV assessment he needed to look at occupational health and safety management systems and develop occupational health and safety policies and procedures for his recently started quarry. The Orange office has also sold kits to other mine operators in Victoria and in Queensland.

    A copy was recently sent to the Queensland Department of Natural Resources and Mines, Mines Inspectorate, for review. Queensland is looking at adopting the kit by referring to it, reselling it, or producing a similar publication. Word of the kit will continue to spread with an article from Mine Safety Update to be published in Licensing Line News, a monthly newsletter that advises key stakeholders in training and licensing authorities, and others, of projects, stories and general vocational education and training issues. This newsletter is an Australian National Training Authority project published by the Queensland Department of Employment and Training. The longest distance request has come from the United States of America. The University of Nevada School of Mines, in Reno, purchased a copy of the kit after reading the Minfo article. The University's letter states:

    Many mining students do vacation work with quarries in Nevada and California and want the kit to help improve safety and health at these mines. The school has found the kit "most interesting and well organised'.

    These endorsements and interest from around Australia and internationally show New South Wales is on the right track with the Small Mines Safety Campaign.

    Mr CHRIS HARTCHER (Gosford) [4.02 p.m.]: Mining is the great industry of New South Wales. It is even more significant than agriculture in the State’s economy now and it behoves us all to ensure that we not only have a profitable mining industry but that we have a safe one. The Coalition parties have always supported any reasonable proposal by government, by employers or by trade unions or employees, to ensure proper mine safety. We will continue that proud record. When in government we also advanced proposals for improving mine safety, and many of these were successful.

    There were some defects in the speech of the Minister for Mineral Resources. We do not have any clear definition of what constitutes a small mine. Maybe the Minister can address that in his reply. There is no reason why 1990 is the cut-off figure in his motion. As is done by any government, why would the motion not date from the time that the Government took office in 1995? There has been no statement by the Minister on the implications of the 1997 review into mine safety or the Gretley report. The Minister has spoken previously on the establishment of the Mine Safety Council, which was one of the recommendations arising from the review and from the Gretley report, but there were about 44 recommendations made in the mine safety report and we have never had a response tabled in this House. The normal system is that if a report is issued following an inquiry such as that conducted by the Royal Commission into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody, detailed responses are tabled from time to time to keep the Parliament, the public of New South Wales and the industry advised on the Government's ongoing program to implement the recommendations.

    Some of them have been implemented. We give the Minister credit for the implementation in 1998 of the Mine Safety Council. We would like to know the status and the progress of the other 44 recommendations. If they are not going to be accepted, fair enough, because often not all recommendations can be accepted or they are not feasible, but let us find out what is happening with them, when they are going to be implemented or, if they are not going to be implemented, why they are not going to be implemented. Nor have we had any statement from the Government as to its financial commitment now to mine safety. In 2002 the Minister's predecessor, the Hon. Eddie Obeid—a man he greatly admired—advised the Parliament of the Government's expenditure of public funds on mine safety. I would like to see, and I am sure the Parliament would like to see, the Minister detailing to the House the actual expenditure by his department on mine safety throughout New South Wales: where the money is being spent and how it has been spent.

    The Opposition's amendment is about looking at the progress and the implementation of the 44 recommendations and, of course, the all-important question so eloquently addressed by my colleague the honourable member for Murrumbidgee about coalmines and workers compensation. The workers compensation scheme that presently applies in the coalmining industry is particular to that industry. It acts as a cost disincentive to mining investment; it is a sweetheart agreement cooked up by the Government to keep the Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union [CFMEU] happy; it imposes an unfair burden on the operation of mines; it does not improve mine safety, it simply looks after Mr Maitland and his mates in the CFMEU, and it needs to be reviewed. We are not saying how it should be done at this stage, but we are inviting the Minister to say to the House, "I support the coal mining industry, it is a vital part of the total mining industry, in fact it is the biggest part of the mining industry. I will take action to remove any cost disincentive to mining investment in New South Wales."

    I commend my colleague the honourable member for Murrumbidgee for his speech. May I remind the honourable member for Liverpool, who is in the chair—he would undoubtedly be more comprehensively aware of this than any other member of this House—of the magnificent role played by miners in the overthrow of the regime in Poland, the overthrow of the regime in Russia, and the overthrow of the regime in Romania. It was the miners who led the fight against communism here.

    Mr STEVE WHAN (Monaro) [4.07 p.m.]: As the Country Labor member for Monaro I am obviously proud to support this motion for urgent consideration. I support the motion and advocate that the House reject the Opposition's amendment, which, as everyone can see, was essentially the lifeline of the honourable member for Gosford for the honourable member for Murrumbidgee so that he could sustain his 10-minute speech. The health and safety of all mine workers must be our main concern. Before the Carr Government initiated the Small Mines Safety Campaign the specific needs of the small mines had never been addressed. Safety performance in New South Wales mines continues to improve. One only has to look at a few examples from overseas to understand that our mines are some of the safest in the world.

    In 2002, 5,791 people died in Chinese coalmines. In just four days in February this year 49 miners were killed, while in March another 50 miners died in a gas explosion, with a further 22 missing. In 2001, 268 miners died in South Africa. On 8 October, 2 million tonnes of earth collapsed down the face of a mine in Indonesia's Papua province, killing two workers, with another six missing. Australia has a very proud safety record in mines, but that does not mean that we should rest on our laurels. This is especially the case for the small mines, which historically have employed fewer people but which have had a disproportionately large number of serious injuries compared with larger mining operations. In the Monaro electorate we do not have any larger mining operations anymore, they have closed down, but we do have many smaller mines. To date, representatives of more than 300 small mines have attended the Small Mines Safety Campaign workshops and learned how to prepare a Mine Safety Management Plan.

    For me, the most important aspect of this campaign is the fact that it is being taken to where it is most needed: to rural and regional towns across the State. Since February this year 43 separate mine safety events have been held. These include holding 16 mobile and fixed-plant safety workshops, which are especially designed for small mines, in centres including Mangrove Mountain, East Maitland, Orange, Gilgandra, Deniliquin, Wagga Wagga, Broken Hill, Penrith, Buronga, Wollongong, Batemans Bay and, most important, Queanbeyan, which is in the Monaro electorate. By taking this campaign out on the road, the Department of Mineral Resources has presented the safety message to 983 people in regional and rural centres.

    Because of the difficulty faced by many busy rural people in travelling to the city to undertake these courses, which are aimed at protecting people from death and serious injury, I am sure all honourable members will agree with the importance of taking them to rural New South Wales. That is the real point of difference with this education campaign: the message is being taken to country New South Wales. The participants in the course include manufacturers, owners, managers, maintenance people, operators and contractors who are involved with mobile or fixed equipment in any operation that is classified as a mine.

    Many people in New South Wales associate mining with the big open-cut mines or underground mines. Although those massive operations generate huge production figures and millions of dollars in income for our communities and for the State, small mines are far more common. Few communities, particularly those in rural New South Wales, would not have a mining operation of some kind. They may be commercial operations such as council or private quarries or sandpits that excavate substances from the ground or farmers who recover material such as gravel, soil or sand from their properties for sale to road contractors, builders or landscape gardeners. They are all classified as mines and must comply with the mine operating legislation and regulations, particularly with respect to health and safety.

    I have been contacted by a number of operators of small quarries who are familiarising themselves with the new requirements to ensure the safe working of their operations. Country Labor values worker safety. In the past small or family-operated businesses were often not subject to the same requirements and training to ensure that their operators—family members, employees or leaseholders—worked in a safe environment. This program takes the best in mine safety education to where it is most needed: to mine operators in rural and regional centres. We should be proud of this program. [Time expired.]

    Mr KERRY HICKEY (Cessnock—Minister for Mineral Resources) [4.12 p.m.], in reply: Once again, the shadow Minister for Mineral Resources has displayed his ignorance of his shadow portfolio responsibilities. I do not believe he understands the meaning of a small mine: it is a commercial operation with less than five employees that digs quantities of minerals from the ground. The shadow Minister has displayed his laziness and total disregard for the industry. He said that the industry wants to see benefits. Fewer deaths in the industry will benefit not only the industry and workers but also the whole community. It is sad that the shadow Minister constantly relies on his elder statesmen in The Nationals and the Liberal Party to come to his aid. It happens all the time in this House. They not only come to his aid; they lead the debate in motions for urgent consideration and matters of public importance.

    During debate on a recent matter of public importance dealing with mine site rehabilitation, the shadow Minister did not even remain in the Chamber. The honourable member for Lachlan led for the Opposition, despite the fact that his shadow portfolio is Tourism, and Sport and Recreation. However, I acknowledge that the honourable member for Lachlan has a good grasp of the mines portfolio and should be the shadow Minister for Mineral Resources. On another occasion the honourable member for Barwon made a lot more sense than the Opposition spokesman. The honourable member for Lachlan and the honourable member for Barwon understand the portfolio and the industry better than the shadow Minister.

    I suggest that the shadow Minister needs to do more homework and should become involved in the finer aspects of mineral resources. A starting point would be for him to remain in the Chamber during these important debates and not duck out during question time to sit up in the gallery or wherever else he runs off to. During debates on mineral resources he usually refers to workers compensation, an industrial relations matter not covered by the mineral resources portfolio. The shadow Minister does not understand the responsibilities of his own portfolio. I have noticed the industrial relations spokesperson gave the shadow Minister a private lesson; the old swamp fox was training him. The honourable member for Gosford drafted the proposed Opposition amendment for the shadow Minister.

    In one debate the shadow Minister raised the red herrings of housing, health, education and industrial relations. He would be better suited to another shadow portfolio, perhaps one he has more knowledge of. His articles in the Daily Telegraph are testament to his wide knowledge, from salami making to rurosexuals. The shadow Minister is a sensitive, new-age guy not normally associated with the mining industry. As I am a Cessnock boy, I have more than a little association with the mining industry. I suggest that the shadow Minister learn about his portfolio. He should look on the web site and talk to miners and to the industry. He needs to forget his new-age scribblings in the Daily Telegraph and concentrate on his portfolio. If a milkman from Cessnock can do it, it should not take too long for a lawyer from Griffith to get hold of it.

    The honourable member for Gosford referred to the 44 recommendations. Those recommendations have all been implemented—20 related to government and 24 related to industry— and their expenditure was dealt with the during estimates committee hearing. Even though the shadow Minister raises the industrial relations red herring, the estimates committee was the correct forum for the airing of such issues. The Mine Safety Council, a peak-level tripartite council—that is government, industry and union—has monitored and ensured the implementation of the recommendations of the 1997 mine safety review. A quarterly update is publicised and is publicly available. It is widely circulated within the industry. I will ensure that the shadow Minister gets a copy of that for his homework. [Time expired.]

    QuestionThat the amendment be agreed to—put.

    The House divided.

    Ayes, 36

    Mr Aplin
    Mr Armstrong
    Mr Barr
    Ms Berejiklian
    Mr Cansdell
    Mr Constance
    Mr Debnam
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    Mrs Hancock
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    Ms Hodgkinson
    Mrs Hopwood
    Mr Humpherson
    Mr Kerr
    Mr McGrane
    Mr Merton
    Ms Moore
    Mr Oakeshott
    Mr O'Farrell
    Mr Page
    Mr Piccoli
    Mr Pringle
    Mr Richardson
    Mr Roberts
    Ms Seaton
    Mrs Skinner
    Mr Slack-Smith
    Mr Souris
    Mr Stoner
    Mr Tink
    Mr Torbay
    Mr J. H. Turner


    Tellers,
    Mr Maguire
    Mr R.W. Turner
    Noes, 47
    Ms Allan
    Mr Amery
    Ms Andrews
    Mr Bartlett
    Ms Beamer
    Mr Black
    Mr Brown
    Ms Burney
    Mr Campbell
    Mr Collier
    Mr Corrigan
    Mr Crittenden
    Ms D'Amore
    Mr Debus
    Mr Gaudry
    Mr Gibson
    Mr Greene
    Ms Hay
    Mr Hickey
    Mr Hunter
    Ms Judge
    Ms Keneally
    Mr Knowles
    Mr Lynch
    Mr McBride
    Mr McLeay
    Ms Meagher
    Ms Megarrity
    Mr Mills
    Mr Morris
    Mr Newell
    Ms Nori
    Mr Orkopoulos
    Mrs Paluzzano
    Mr Pearce
    Mrs Perry
    Mr Price
    Dr Refshauge
    Ms Saliba
    Mr Sartor
    Mr Scully
    Mr Shearan
    Mr Tripodi
    Mr West
    Mr Whan
    Tellers,
    Mr Ashton
    Mr Martin

    Pairs
    Mr BrogdenMiss Burton
    Mr GeorgeMr Iemma

    Question resolved in the negative.

    Amendment negatived.

    Motion agreed to.


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